Two things to consider: If you’re going for your CPA hours requirements, make sure the program you’re applying for offers exactly what you need; ... No pun intended, the Big 4 are big. what is the best major for business in terms of flexibility and high-ceiling potential? Oftentimes, people say they are going to the top accounting consulting firms without knowing what they are talking about. I think people with a shitty story are at a disadvantage. I'm about to hit 2 years with a Big4 firm (advisory, not audit or tax). The very early promotion will help you A LOT, make sure you bring attention to that (e.g. Definitely aim higher. Is there any hope of getting into a good school? Tied that into an interest in the advisory side of M&A. Stats: 760 GMAT (50Q, 42V), 3.7 GPA from top public school in economics. WE: 4.5 years experience at matriculation. Please make sure to read our rules and wiki before posting. As an associate, you'll be preparing returns using client information and work papers and a senior or someone will be reviewing your work. It's a good job for sure, but they are definitely underrepresented at top 10 MBA programs. What I was mainly trying to get at is the average year over year salary increase when you include partner compensation. I graduated a few years ago and interview potential students now...I end up interviewing quite a few accountants and they almost never get in. That’s great! KPMG, EY, PwC, and Deloitte are all well known, global brand names. Don't stress about that. Press J to jump to the feed. Now I work at a small, local CPA firm but don’t want to be an accountant as a long term career. Also passed CFA level I and II exams. Alan Mullaly was the last big engineering-first CEO Boeing had - and he quit the company to go work for Ford. top bullet on resume). Solid profile, could probably aim higher. Congrats on the GPA & GMAT! Work Experience: Recently promoted Big 4 tax manager (early promotion in 3.5 years, typical path is 5-6 years), Extra curriculars: Big Brother Big Sister for six months, active in on-campus recruiting efforts for firm, Undergrad school/major: Public Ivy (think Duke, UCLA, Cal), Economics major, Other education/coursework: licensed CPA, CFA Level II Candidate (results come in a week). There's m&a tax which falls under deal advisory. Amount of travel: less than 10% I went to a top 15 or so MBA program full time. Which of the “Big 4” accounting firms is right for you? They take 800+ people, you could be the tax guy. I actually did (or would have done, had I not left for an MBA) exactly what you are proposing. So, you read my blog post and decided to go work for a Big 4. And yet, my program takes 2-5 per year, generally managers, and often URMs. At my M7 there was almost no accountants. Graduated from a T10 school 5+ years ago and have been in BB IB since. I didn't transfer any units and took the class only for CPA requirements. Yes, and unfairly. I do advisory in the Big 4. Lots of threads on TS, especially FDD, including an AMA I did about a month ago. I have seen posts about avoiding the appearance of resume padding with recent extracurricular involvement. One of the best things you can do to prepare for your interview is to research the most common Big 4 interview questions and practice them ahead of time. Some firms hire direct out of undergrad/masters (non-MBA) programs similar to audit/tax. share. This guide will show you exactly where you fit into the Big 4 salary structure. I don't recommend it, just took a corporate tax midterm tonight and haven't taken a day off in nearly two months between work and school. Attending an M7 school this fall with a 50% merit fellowship. Worked on a lot of M&A audit engagements. Went to a large but average ranked state school and graduated with a 3.3 gpa and accounting degree. All, Your advice is much appreciated - I'm a bit confused as to where to take my career now. I really regret all my academic decisions as I never expected to need school for my career, and would love a redo. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. until I pointed out if she gets median salary it’d easily be double and possibly triple her starting salary as a 1st year. Then they move into industry and get a pay bump. Our 2020 big 4 ranking page will help you tell your friends and family why you are going to the best big 4 possible. A 7 years ago, I wrote about the differences between a Mid Tier Firm and a Big 4 firm.In this article, I revisit those thoughts and update them with what has changed in the intervening time. It may be worthwhile to contact an admissions consultant so you can refine you “tax > MBA” story, which is frankly probably a boring one. Starting a Q&A thread for any Big4 Auditors or Advisory folks looking to transition to a top MBA.I leaned heavily on WSO to complete the journey up to this point, and want to give back to those currently mired in the Big 4 grind. That said, I think being a manager at Big 4 is as if not more valuable than an MBA … Discussed my passion for investing since I was in middle school and desire to transition from doing tax for hedge funds to being the one making the investment decision. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Big 4 Summer Vacation Schemes 2021 Audit/Tax/Consulting Has anyone been through the Deloitte Job Simulation? 147k members in the SeattleWA community. Funny story: there was a girl the year before me who did a year in audit and left for an M7. Year 1 at A&M TAG (Associate) - $83k base + $20k bonus I chose to work in tax for the financial services industry to learn more about investing strategies and how tax plays a role, but I want to go beyond the tax implications and learn about valuation, portfolio composition, etc. versus a check-the-box approach in especially audit. Even though the story is boring, the rest of the profile (outside of ECs) is probably good enough to get into one or two non-HWS M7s. ~3 at B4 in audit. 18. I have a class that I received a "No Pass" for from a community college (was taking a social science class for CPA education requirements). ... MBA, etc. Goal of MBA: Transition into investment banking and ultimately investment management. More career opportunities Because the Enrolled Agent is a national designation, being an EA allows you to represent any taxpayer before the IRS. Are B4 professionals at disadvantage when applying top MBAs? It is a very useful skill set when coupled with a general business graduate education. Such a big week! Differences between the 4 firms: KPMG and Deloitte have pensions. I wouldn't worry too much about the "resume padding" aspect since a lot of folks may not have had time early in their careers, so just focus on why it is meaningful to you. Press J to jump to the feed. No matter which big 4 you choose to go to, they likely rank number 1 or 2 in at least one category. See below posts. I just applied this cycle out of 4 years of B4 audit (headed to a T15 though, not M7). EC: Limited. 479 votes, 279 comments. There were plenty of classmates w/ Big 4 experience and CPAs. 750 GMAT. I spent 3 years after graduation trying to make it as a professional in my sport, but it just didn’t work out. I would suggest spinning your audit career REALLY well into what you want to do post-MBA. The B4 often represent 4 of the 5 largest employers for undergrads at really good but not hyper elite schools. I’m a 25 year old, white male former NCAA D1 athlete. r/MBA: Learn about MBA programs, applying to them, and what life is like while in one and afterwards. Does anyone know if I’d have a chance at a good MBA program? Your list seems very achievable, given your stats. That's a pretty simple search to run on LinkedIn! Yeah he can do a fair bit better even if his work experience is tax. Decent ECs, but nothing out of the ordinary. If we talk in general, the answer is they are pretty similar. Undergrad school/major: Public Ivy (think Duke, UCLA, Cal), Economics major They move up until they hit an “exit level” promotion - senior, Manager, senior manager. UCLA Anderson for Friday as well. 3.7 GPA. Rest at a F1000 company internal audit/internal consulting. I’d want to do IB after the MBA. No idea honestly, it all depends on the source you look at. Big 4 with Experience, MBA, and CPA This topic has 12 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 1 month ago by klink24 . It is definitely tougher to break into than tax and audit, but the jobs are there for the top students. Learn about MBA programs, applying to them, and what life is like while in one and afterwards. Admissions. For another, taking B4 jobs often might correlate to low-risk tolerance, which may translate to less exciting profiles. Big 4 interview on the horizon? Can I guess - you went to Berkeley didn't you? Higher earning potential According to Payscale, Enrolled Agents earn approximately $48,000 dollars annually, with experienced Enrolled Agents earning $75,000. It can be done if you get a good GMAT (700+). Masters programs and public accounting busy seasons do not mix well at all. See if Mr. Big 4 Tax has a shot at their top choice MBA program on Poets&Quants MBA Watch. Other side of M&A is the in-house investment banks. My CPA life: 3 years in Big 4 audit (Senior Associate) - Made peanuts. Honestly, they’re essentially the same just like most law firms on similar tiers Differences between M&A tax vs. Int Tax: a lot, M&A is a lot of due diligence for deals, ITS is a lot of memo writing. Foster business school is definitely a top business school for MBA and all our professors teach MBA so ¯_(ツ)_/¯. It takes a lot of thinking outside of the box, leadership, smarts, etc. That, and she’d be making bank while her start class is 1 year into hating being seniors and getting paid pennies for it. “Big 4 vs Mid Tier. 4-5 years experience. Also passed CFA level I and II exams. B4 accountants tend to “follow the herd” and don’t get MBAs that often. So there’s really no draw to the MBA unless you want to switch careers (most do and hate their jobs but are incredibly risk averse.). Saying "I did tax to learn about investing strategies" doesn't really jive - if you wanted to learn about investing strategies, you could've done that by going into investing. Since I have been in the Big Brother Big Sister program for only six months, how should I present this in my application? They take a HUGE number of motivated, personable, and intelligent 22 year olds with competitive GPAs. Salaries start at $53,000 for an audit associate and top out at $5,000,000+ for a senior executive partner. The sydney morning herald in australia has a new news story involving the big 4 and pay cuts. Work Experience: Recently promoted Big 4 tax manager (early promotion in 3.5 years, typical path is 5-6 years) Extra curriculars: Big Brother Big Sister for six months, active in on-campus recruiting efforts for firm. 1 year at Big 4 TAS (Senior Associate) - Made slightly bigger peanuts. Using Glassdoor, Internet forums, this site, and I put together a spreadsheet and chart that shows the expected compensation one would get in a Big 4 firm over a 15 year period. I am assuming you mean fdd, m&a, and valuations when you mean deal advisory. I just recently talked to my buddy thats at an ivy MBA now and said there were a bunch of people from my old big 4 firm from audit, tax, advisory and consulting (mostly the latter). Which will be better for my career?” It’s a question that has taxed many graduates. Boeing stopped being a company where decisions were made based on the best engineering opinion available, and started resembling more like an MBA-management style of company, or a Jack Welch style of management company. Sorry for the delayed response. Or better stated, which of the Big Four firms will pay you the highest salary!?. 2 1 12. comments. I (expect) to get promoted the 2nd half of this year. Got into an M7 and a couple T15s. Early promotion to tax manager. Columbia ED is a good call but i say throw in an app to Wharton. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. No compared to pretty much anything else though. I think most of the Big 4 call that group Corporate Finance. Getting the MS in Tax would mean another 10 courses in things like estate taxes etc. Am I more educated than someone with just an MS in Tax, yes, but not sure if that will make a difference in the work world. But ultimately your background and extracurriculars make your profile. Congrats on a great GMAT Score! As others have mentioned, you are slightly on the younger side, and a tax background is a little bit of a potential drag on an application - positioning yourself appropriately in essays will be very important, as will orienting your recommenders appropriately. It was just something they told us at the beginning of the program, this year's rankings could be different as well. Good luck with things moving forward. I am slowing down at work this week, so I can answer questions about anything related to school, Big 4 recruiting, switching to TAS, or A&M. A ton of kids in my start class already had a Macc too. Was B4 vs MBB. This article is a breakdown of the Big 4 firms, the average starting salary range for each of them, and some additional factors that help determine the size of your starting accounting salary. Edit: Seems I’m overestimating their pull somewhat. Twas the night before Sloan-mas. I posted here previously, but I wanted to gauge my prospects after a few updates. That would fill up your pool and leave few seats and lots of competent competitors for the remaining accountant spots. 6 years ago. Doesn’t make sense to compare Big4 accountants with MBB consultants, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Seems like there’s just way too many B4 folks out there and the M7s of the world would rather pull all their finance cohort from PE/IB. for law schools the work experience reallly won't mean too much, but it could be something that tips the scale in your favor. The ? Regarding the big 4 audit thread recently: I see tax has a more favourable view for adcoms? Story: Looking to transition from tax to investment management. Get comfortable folks! That's interesting, cause where I'm from tax is paid even lower than audit and until you pass your exams you're basically nothing to the firm. I have my MBA from a top 40 school (but nowhere near top 20). About as good of a “tax” profile you can have from your demographic. Mainly internal firm initiatives and mentorship outside of work. With an MBA you have to take classes in statistics, IT, business policy, management, economics, finance law, etc. I think it could hurt you if you've been languishing below an age appropriate level for a while, but that's either explainable or implausible - because they're often up and out kind of positions. Finally, if AdComs see B4 as a subset of professional services, they may feel the perspective B4 students bring is similar to that of consulting...with MBB being miles ahead in terms of what they want. Big Ten school (not NW). Posted by 14 hours ago. You don’t need an MBA to make partner, and it doesn’t move the chains for you any faster. I am sentimentally attached to PwC as I spent there some of the most formative years of my career and I still have a lot of really good friends which were with me at PwC. r/SeattleWA is the active Reddit community for Seattle, Washington and the Puget … I think it is overall a tougher recruitment process than audit or tax. But honestly, most jobs right out of MBA are fucking around in excel, reviewing financial statements, and making powerpoint slides, which accountants would be pretty good at. Both do structuring work. See what our pool of experts has to say about Mr. Big 4 Tax's MBA application and assess the odds yourself! Attending an M7 school this fall with a 50% merit fellowship. For one, auditing and tax doesn't lend to an interesting story for adcoms. Sorry B4 folks. Target schools: Columbia ED, Cornell Johnson, NYU Stern, Berkeley Haas, UCLA Anderson. Anonymous User wrote:I did Superday and received an offer from a Big 4 International Tax office in NYC but ended up accepting a big law offer (as like you it was a safety/backup plan).I never asked how much the salary was but if you do some searches on here the consensus was 80-90k for the NYC offices depending on what you bring to there table experience wise. The Ultimate Guide to Knowing Exactly What You'll Make at Each of the Big 4 Accounting Firms. I'm not a B4 pro, but I wouldn't say so. Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total) Stated post-MBA goal of M&A IB (was incredibly specific in my essays). Yes compared to PE, MBB, and BB IB. Stats: 760 GMAT (50Q, 42V), 3.7 GPA from top public school in economics. i know several big 4 audit/tax/advisory people who have left for top mba programs and law schools. I think B4 checks the box on sufficient work experience, but it doesn't offer up a neat and differentiated story to tell admissions - you have to do that on your spare time. If you aren’t going to be partner, get the hell out.In a 2016 research paper published by the University of Tennessee, the authors outline average earnings through age 37 for CPAs in the following buckets:1) Never leave public 2) Leave after senior 3) Leave after managerNo surprise that those choosing to stay in public can expect to earn $ What's different in the US? I cannot thank WSO enough for giving me the knowledge and confidence to achieve what I once thought impossible. Your life is one airport after another, and you’ve sat in board rooms discussing tough challenges with Fortune 50 senior executives. Thank you in advance for the help. Jesus if those are the schools you're targeting with that GMAT/MBA & CPA, CFA lvl II I have no hope with my targets. You would think that working for a Big Four firm in auditing would positively impact your chances of admissions to top MBA programs, wouldn’t you? I think you definitely have a great shot but it is really important to craft your story and frame why getting an MBA would help. As far as why, I can only speculate. As someone who also looked into tax, I'd say your best bet to get Into an m7 mba from a tax background is transfer pricing, or m&a tax. I'm transferring from CC to UW's business school (Tacoma accepted/Seattle pending) but applied with a general business major.. now I am wondering if I made a mistake by applying to this major over options such as Accounting, Finance, Business Admin, Marketing etc. Everyone kept talking about how dumb it was (herd mentality, remember?) My stats were not as good as yours (710 GMAT, 3.4 GPA, CPA, comparable public university to UCLA, but I was also a white male). The Big 4 now sit at the top of your career goal list. When you say investment management, are you talking hedges/other active management? Tax preparers without a designation earn an average of $40,000 annually. 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